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 Post subject: Ancient Stoic Philosophy
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:22 pm 
The founder of the philosophy underlying Stoicism was Socrates.

Stoicism is one of the richest and most influential intellectual traditions of antiquity.
The Stoic philosophy developed from that of the Cynics whose founder, Antisthenes, had been a disciple of Socrates. The four cardinal virtues of the Stoic philosophy are wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance, a classification derived from the teachings of Plato, who was also a pupil of Socrates. Stoics recognized and advocated the brotherhood of humanity and the natural equality of all human beings.

Stoic Philosophy is eclectic, it gathers truth wherever it can be found. I shall post many truths here, drawn from many corners of the world and from only a few great men.

These perennial truths are attributed to Jesus.

Here is a few from The Gospel of Didymos Judas Thomas
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html

states that Jesus said

"A city being built on a high mountain and fortified cannot fall, nor can it be hidden."

"If a blind man leads a blind man, they will both fall into a pit."

"The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

"It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries that I tell my mysteries. Do not let your left (hand) know what your right (hand) is doing."

"Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone."

"He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in."

"I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."

“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in school, falsehoods. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.” –Plato


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The Stoic School was founded in 322 B.C. by Zeno of Cittium and existed until the closing of the Athenian schools (A.D. 429), (it took the name from the Stoa poikile, the painted hall or colonnade in which the lectures were held.)

Zeno of Cittium (b. 366; d. in 280) was the disciple of Crates the Cynic and the academicians Stilpo, Xenocrates, and Polemon. After his death (264), Cleanthes of Assium (b. 331; d. 232) became head of the school; Chrysippus of Soli (b. 280), succeeded and was scholarch until 204. These philosophers, all of Oriental origin, lived in Athens where Zeno played a part in politics and were in communication with the principal men of their day. The Stoic doctrine, of which Zeno laid the foundations, was developed by Chrysippus in 705 treatises, of which only some fragments have been preserved.

The Christians burnt the Alexandrian Library. The letters of Seneca (2-68) to Lucilius, the conversations of Musonius (time of Nero), and of Epictetus (age of Domitian), the fragments of Hierodcles (time of Hadrian), the members of Marcus Aurelius (d. 180), give but an incomplete idea. The arabs, despite this calamity, saved for posterity what little we have left.

Some musings -
L I F E

In the growth of LIFE, the series of things is not like a mere enumeration of disjointed things, which has only a necessary sequence, but it is a rational connection: and as all existing things are arranged together harmoniously, so the things which come into existence exhibit no mere succession, but a certain wonderful relationship.

" One, who is the other I ", as Pythagoras said when answering "Who is there?".

E X I S T E N C E

Soon the earth will cover us all: then the Earth too will change, and the things also which result from change will continue to change forever. It is only in rebirth that things remain intact.

A person can neither lose the past nor the future: for what a person has not, how can any take this from them. Therefore the present is the only thing of which a person can be deprived, if it is true that this is the only thing which they have, and that a person cannot lose a thing if they have it not.

Time is like a river made up of events which happen, and what a violent stream: for as soon as a thing has been seen, it is carried away, and another comes in it's place, and this will be carried away as well.

Death is such as generation is, a mystery of LIFE.

Many grains of frankincense on the same altar: one falls before, another after; but it makes no difference.

I N S A N I T Y

The destruction of the understanding is a pestilence, much more indeed than any corruption of this atmosphere which surrounds us.

We ought to consider not only that our life is daily wasting away and a smaller part of it is left, but that the conception of things and the understanding of them may cease first !

"A fool you can neither bend nor break", my resolve is fixed! they would say. So mad people say too, but the more firmly they believe in their delusion, the more they stand in need of treatment. In theory it is easy to convince an ignorant person: in actual life, people not only object to offer themselves to be convinced, but hate the person who has convinced them.

F E L L O W S H I P

Remember that every rational animal is a kinsman, and that to care for all humankind is according to a person's nature; and a person should hold onto the opinion not of all, but of those who only confessedly live according to the sane way. As to those who live not so, you always bear in mind what kind of person they are both at home and from home, both by night and by day, and what they are, and with what people they live an impure life.
Accordingly you do not value at all the praise which comes from such people, since they are not even satisfied with themselves.

But, you say, I cannot comprehend all this at once!
Why, who told you that your powers were equal to the Creator's.

Accustom thyself to attend carefully to what is said by another, and as much as it is possible, be in the speaker's mind.

Enter into every person's ruling faculty; and also let every other person enter into thine, by engaging in meaningful discourse in a most honest fashion.

Through not observing what is in the mind of another, a person has seldom been seen to be unhappy; but those who do not observe the movements of their own mind can not be happy

S T A T E

Ü¥He engrosses the conduct of public affairs, so completely to itself, that no share whatsoever of office is left to the vanquished. Such societies, we contend are NO CONSTITIONAL STATES just as enactments, so far as they are not for the common interest of the whole community are NO TRUE LAWS; people who are for a party we say are FACTIONARIES or NO CITIZENS and their so called rights are empty words.

The chief punishment for not taking office is to be under the rule of someone worse than oneself.

A state which goes in fear of it's citizens, will never, if it can help it, permit it's citizens to become noble, wealthy, powerful, valiant, not so much as a good fighting person.

Enter into every person's ruling faculty; and also let every other person enter into thine, by engaging in meaningful discourse in a most honest fashion.

The best government is for everyone to be ruled by the wise and godlike power seated in their own heart.

In a sane society, it must be accepted that all action is within the bounds of necessity, even if the purpose of such action is not understood.

Everyone should be his own best guard, though enquire as to whether madness be thy bodyguard.


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J U S T I C E

Apathy may lead to suicide, whereas action often leads to death.

Every nail of injustice you drive home, remember it is in your own coffin.

There is no justice in what is only to the stronger person's profit.

What only seems good is not good enough for anyone.

C O N V E N T I O N

Public opinion is backed up with punishment, fines and loss of rights, and death.

No individual can stand against the river of public opinion, and such a river will wash away all private teaching.

Correct logical process does not necessarily produce true conclusions, however conclusions thus produced are bitterly defended.

Convention is not necessarily logical, nor desirable, though it may well be rational.

E N V I R O N M E N T

Some localities have a more marked tendency than others to produce better or worse people; some owe their propitious or ill-omened character to variations in winds and sunshine, others to the products of the soil, which not only provides the body with, better or worse sustenance, but equally affect the mind for good or bad.

Like sick people, with no self-control, who won't give up the habits which are the cause of their troubles.

Perfection of children's bodies means that they must grow straight from their earliest days.

People take in the evil everyday, as from unhealthy fields, little by little, till, unconsciously, they have got a great mass of evil in their innermost souls.

L I F E

Constantly regard LIFE as one living being, and observe how all living things have reference to one perception, the perception of this one living being; and how all living things act with one movement; and how all living things are the coordinating causes of all living things, which are extant. Observe too, the continuous spinning of the thread and the contexture of the web.

All living things proceed from the one intelligent source, and come together in one body, and the part ought not to find fault with what is done for the benefit of the whole.

If our intelligent part is common, the reason also, in respect that we are rational beings, is common: if this is so, common also is the reason which commands us what to do and what to do not; if this is so, then there is a common law also, and therefore there need not be personal law.

Our life is a voyage on the ocean of LIFE, from which we must disembark when we come to the shore.

That which rules within, when it is according to LIFE, is so affected with respect to the events which happen, that it always easily adapts itself to that which of their own minds must of necessity be unhappy.

People exist for the sake of one another, otherwise only one would exist. Teach them then or bear with them.

If thou art able, correct by teaching those who thou deamest in need; but if thou canst not, remember that indulgence is given to thee for this purpose.

It is impossible for any person to begin to learn what they have a conceit that they already know.

Socrates:- "We should never lead a life not subject to examination. "

If you seek truth, you will not seek to gain victory by every possible means, and when you have found Truth, you need not fear being defeated.

Thou wouldst do good unto people. Then feed them good food, good water, yield unto all, give way, and bear with them. Thus shalt thou do them good: but vent not upon them thine own evil humour!

Do unto others because they are you.

It is thy duty to leave another's wrongful act there where it is.

If thou findest in human life anything better than thy own mind's self-satisfaction in the things which it enables thee to do according to right reason, and in the condition that is assigned to thee without thy choice, turn to it with all thy heart, and enjoy that which thou hast found to be best, only take care that thou makest the inquiry by a sure method.

Drawn from "The Harvard Classics ", (The Golden Sayings of Epicetus, The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius) Grolier Enterprises Corp, USA. 1980


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A T T I T U D E

Wilt thou not cease to value things? Then thou wilt neither be free, nor sufficient for thy own happiness, nor without passion.

Whatever person thou meetest with, immediately say to thyself: What opinions has this person about good and bad? If they have such and such opinions, then they do such and such things, and I shall bear in mind that they are compelled to do so.

People not noting their conscience, despise one another and flatter one another; and people wish to rise above one another, and crouch before one another, such is their slavery.

For who can change people's opinions? And without change of opinions what else is there than the slavery of people who groan while they pretend to obey!

If amongst brethern you find yourself, and they do not allow you to exercise right principles, gain strength and withdraw.

You threaten me with death; it is LIFE that threatens you.

If it is within LIFE that things be done by a being, then it is a matter of necessity.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, though consider that not all justifications are sane.

Personal law rules all that abdicate their responsibility to LIFE's law and in doing so, support arrogant ignorance and a stunting of LIFE.

The discourses of humankind is a mixture of all things and an orderly but perplexing combination of contraries, when viewed by ignorance.

Ignorance asks of the Creation, that which has not been given, for much has been given.

Consider that people will do the same things nevertheless, even though thou shouldst burst.


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S E L F

If thou workest at that which is before thee, following right reason seriously, vigorously, calmly, without allowing anything else to distract thee, but keeping thy divine part pure, as if thou be bound to give it back immediately; if thou holdest to this, expecting nothing, fearing nothing, but satisfied with thy present activity according to LIFE, and with heroic truth in every word and sound thou utterest, thou wilt live happy. And there is no person who is able to prevent this.

Fear not thy emotions, for they are as much a guide as thy conscience, though be fearful when thy conscience withdraws.

Let thy principles be brief and fundamental, so that whenever thou shalt choose to retire into thyself, reflection will renew thyself.

If the judgement of thy conscience is not clear, then follow the impression of thy conscience and thy fog will soon lift.

Remember that it is a shame to be surprised if the fig tree produces figs.

Be like the promontory against which the waves continually break, but it stands firm and tames the fury of the water around it and is neither crushed by the present nor fears the future.

The voice ought to be plainly written on the forehead.

Above all, remember that the door stands open.

In the room of all other pleasures put this, the pleasure which springs from conscious obedience to conscience.

Enjoy the great festival of LIFE with others, while thee may.

Even as bad actors cannot sing alone, but only in chorus: so some cannot walk alone. Person, if thou art aught, strive to walk alone and hold converse with thyself, instead of skulking in the chorus! at length think; look around thee, bestir thyself, so that thou mayest know who thou art.

The person who is honest and good ought to be exactly like a person who smells strong, so that bystanders as soon as they come near, must smell whether they choose to or not.

Never value anything as profitable to thyself which shall compel thee to turn away from the eye of thy conscience.

Have you again forgotten? Know you not, that a good person does nothing for appearance's sake, but for the sake of having done right!...
"Is there no reward then?"
Reward! do you seek any greater reward for a good man than doing what is right and just? Yet at the Great Games you look for nothing else than the victor's crown, you deem this enough! Seems it to you so small a thing and worthless, to be a good person, and happy.

Say not, "Come quick, O'death, lest perchance I should forget myself ", but know even if to thyself thou art forgotten, LIFE comforts thee.

And thou walkest past looking at the sky, never daring to look me in the eye.

Socrates:- One person finds pleasure in improving their land, another his horses. My pleasure lies in seeing that I myself grow better, day by day.

No longer wander at hazard, but hasten to the end which thou hast before thee, and throwing away idle hopes, come to thy own aid, if thou carest at all for thyself, while it is still in thy power.

Do not be whirled about, but in every moment have respect to justice, and on the occasion of each impression, maintain the faculty of understanding.

It is in thy power to live free from all compulsion in thy great tranquillity of mind, even if all the world cry out against thee as much as they choose, even if wild beasts tear in pieces the members of this kneaded matter which has grown around thee.

Remember that all is opinion, and thy opinion is in thy power.

Be in need of neither oath nor of any person's testimony.

Be thou erect, or be made erect, not be kept erect by others.

Attend to your three relations, the one, the body that surrounds thee, the second, to LIFE whence you came, and third, to those who live with thee.

Socrates:- Maintain that which in me lies. A will such as it ought, a right use of the things of sense and a mind and body as it ought to be.

Do not even pretend to think that you can be like GOD, for you are for another purpose.

A person should always have these rules in readiness:-
the one, to do only whatever the conscience may suggest for the use of people; the other to change thy opinion, if there is anyone at hand who sets thee right and moves thee from any opinion with right insight.

Socrates:- "Beware thy wishes "


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G O O D E V I L

I am by LIFE made for my own good; not for my own evil.

Life, if there was anything evil, would have provided for this, that it should be altogether in a person's power not to fall into it.

To a good and right person there is no evil, either in life or in death.

It is not possible that the nature of the Universe, even through want of power or skill, would overlook that good and evil indiscriminately should happen to the bad and the good.

That which happens equally to those who live contrary to a sane conscience and to those who live according to a sane conscience, is neither according to LIFE nor contrary to LIFE.

All manner of experiences happen equally to good people and bad, and these things never corrupt the conscience, only flesh and bone. Therefore they are neither good nor evil.

S A N I T Y

Rationality is no measure of sanity.

Tranquillity is nothing else than the good ordering of the mind, which is a characteristic of a pure body.

It is possible to be sane and to be recognised as such by nobody.

Sanity is a unique state of being, in accordance with vegetative LIFE.

Perennial LIFE and insanity exist not together.

In people's opinion thou mayest appear to be of a different kind, when thou art in substance, sane.

Reverence the faculty which produces opinion. On this faculty it entirely depends whether there shall exist in thy ruling part any opinion inconsistent with nature and the constitution of the rational animal.

H U M A N I T Y

This thou must bear in mind, what is the nature of the whole, and what is thy nature, and how this is related to that, and what kind of a part it is of what kind of a whole; and there is no one who hinders thee from always doing and saying the things which are according to the nature of which you are a part.

He is a child who fears any operations of LIFE, for all such are conducive to the purpose of LIFE, of which we are a part.

Thou must now at last perceive of what LIFE thou are a part, and of what administrator of LIFE thy existence is an efflux, and that a limit of time is fixed for thee, which if thou dost not use for clearing away the clouds of thy mind, it will go and thou wilt go, and it will never return.

NOTE :- The above words of perennial wisdom have been attributed to Stoic authors, past and present, and include Pythagorus, Marcus Aurelius, an emperor of the Roman Empire, and Epicetitus, a crippled slave of Nero's era.


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Principle Ideas

Later Stoics of the Hellenistic period, including Cleanthes of Assos (c 331-233 BCE) and Chrysippus (c 281-208 BCE), developed Stoicism as a systematic body of doctrine, complete with a system of logic, epistemology, and cosmology. In logic, the Stoics developed the logic of propositions more recently formalized by Frege and Bertrand Russell. Chrysippus was recognized by his contemporaries as the equal of Aristotle in logic. Stoic epistemology was decidedly empiricist and nominalist in spirit.

They rejected both Plato's and Aristotle's notions of form. There are no abstract universals, either apart from particulars, as Plato would have it, or in particular substances, as Aristotle held. Only particular things exist and our knowledge of them is based on the impressions they make upon the soul. Our knowledge of particular objects is therefore based on sense perception, as is our knowledge of our mental states and activities, our soul itself being a material thing.

Metaphysically, the Stoics were materialists. While all that exists is material, nevertheless there are two principles of reality. The passive principle is matter devoid of quality. Borrowing from Heraclitus, the Stoics identified the active principle of reality with the Logos, Reason, or God. Unlike later Christian versions, the Stoic view of the Logos is both materialistic and pantheistic. God has no existence distinct from the rational order of nature and should not be construed as a personal, transcendent deity of the sort essential to later Western theism.

The Stoics were determinists, even fatalists, holding that whatever happens happens necessarily. Not only is the world such that all events are determined by prior events, but the universe is a perfect, rational whole. For all their interests in logic and speculative philosophy, the primary focus of Stoicism is practical and ethical. Knowledge of nature is of instrumental value only. Its value is entirely determined by its role in fostering the life of virtue understood as living in accord with nature. This practical aspect of Stoicism is especially prevalent in the Roman Stoic, Epictetus (c 50-138 CE), who developed the ethical and religious side of Stoicism. This practical side of Stoicism can be understood in terms of a number of key ideas taught by Epictetus.

The life of virtue is the life in accordance with nature. Since for the Stoic nature is rational and perfect, the ethical life is a life lived in accordance with the rational order of things. "Do not seek to have events happen as you want them to, but instead want them to happen as they do happen, and your life will go well" (Handbook, ch. .

Essential to appreciating this Stoic theme is the recognition of the difference between those things that are within our power and those not within our power.

Our opinions are up to us, and our impulses, desires, aversions--in short, whatever is our doing. Our bodies are not up to us, nor our possessions, our reputations, or our public offices, or, that is, whatever is not our doing...So remember, if you think that things naturally enslaved are free or that things not your own are your own, you will be thwarted, miserable, and upset, and will blame both the gods and men.(Handbook, ch. 1)

The only thing over which we have control, therefore, is the faculty of judgment. Since anything else, including all external affairs and acts of others, are not within our power, we should adopt toward them the attitude of indifference. Toward all that is not within our power we should be apathetic.

What upsets people is not things themselves but their judgments about the things. For example, death is nothing dreadful (or else it would have appeared so to Socrates), but instead the judgment about death is that it is dreadful, that is what is dreadful. (Handbook, ch. 5)

To avoid unhappiness, frustration, and disappointment, we, therefore, need to do two things: control those things that are within our power (namely our beliefs, judgments, desires , and attitudes) and be indifferent or apathetic to those things which are not in our power (namely, things external to us).

Toward those unfortunate things that are not within our power which we cannot avoid (for example, death and the actions and opinions of others) the proper attitude is one of apathy.

Distress is the result of our attitudes towards things, not the things themselves. This is the consoling feature of Stoic fatalism. It is absurd to become distraught over externals for the same reason that it is absurd to become distressed over the past; both are beyond our power. The Stoic is simply adopting toward all things the only logical attitude appropriate to the past--indifference.

Other noted Stoics were Zeno of Citium, Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, Socrates, Plato, Epictetus and Diogenes.


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Stoic Foundation
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/ ... stoic.html

Lucius Annaeus Seneca was born around 4 BCE (749 AUC) in Cordova, Spain. Referred to by some as Seneca the younger, he was the son of M. Annaeus Seneca. He was a sickly child and spent his childhood in Rome being nursed by an aunt, who later helped launch his official career. He was a successful lawyer and became rather wealthy. He was greatly disliked by the emperor Caligula, exiled by Claudius, and later employeed as the tutor of the young emperor Nero. When rumors, falsely, convinced Nero that Seneca was a member of a plot to assassinate him, Nero forced Seneca to commit suicide. Seneca wrote mainly three types of works. He wrote essays on Stoic philosophy and beliefs. He wrote letters or epistles to give philosophical advice to his friends. And, he wrote intense, violent plays which focused on Stoic belief that disaster results from passion destroying reason.
Some of the writings of Sennica can be accessed at this link.
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/ ... eneca.html

The beginnings of Stoicism lie with Zeno of Citium, who came to Athens from Cyprus. For many years a student of the Cynic philosophy Crates, Zeno eventually founded his own philosophical school in 300 BCE. Because he taught his students in a stoa (portico) in Athens, Zeno's philosophy came to be known as Stoicism. Zeno was succeeded as head of the school by Cleanthes and Cleanthes by Chrysippus. According to Diogenes Laertius, these three early Stoics wrote many works, but nothing except fragments of these have survived.

"Is the Stoic ethic feasible? Can a person really accept all things as from God and be indifferent to all things except the pursuit of virtue? If not, what is your preferred ethical theory?"

A very detailed view of the logos, physics and ethic of ancient stoicism.
http://www.abu.nb.ca/Courses/GrPhil/Stoic.htm


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Current Movements in Stoic Philosophy Links
http://dmoz.org/Society/Philosophy/Curr ... ts/Stoics/

Rebirth ?
More than 2,200 years have passed since a group of sober people gathered in a covered colonnade, or stoa, in the marketplace of Athens to discuss the good life -- a life of virtue and honor. They became known as Stoics, and their ancient creed is enjoying a renaissance today in, of all things, popular culture. Why? Because the Stoic way of thinking is as relevant, indeed, as urgently practical, today in 21st century America as it was 1,900 years ago in the Roman empire when a great teacher named Epictetus (pronounced eh-pick-TEE-tuss) set up a school to teach Stoicism to teen-agers.
http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/Stephe ... oicism.htm

Zeno was born in 333 B.C. in Citium, a principal Phoenician city in Cyprus, situated on the southeast coast near modern Larnaca. Zeno himself was of Phoenician ancestry. For most of his youth he was a merchant, but, so the story has it, at the age of thirty, he was shipwrecked while transporting purple dye from Phoenicia to Peiraeus. While kicking his heels in Athens, he frequented a bookshop, where he was drawn to the works of Socrates. Asking the shopkeeper where men like Socrates could be found, he received the reply "Follow that man." The man in question was Crates the Cynic, and Zeno became his pupil, later commenting "I made a prosperous voyage when I was shipwrecked."

Crates appears to have been a hard master. Zeno was overly conscious of social propriety (a habit which he always found hard to shake, despite his anarchistic views), and Crates attempted to cure this by making him carry a pot of lentils through the streets of Athens. Like a Zen master, Crates suddenly smashed the pot with his staff, and Zeno ran away in embarrassment with lentil soup dripping down his legs and Crates calling after him: 'Why run away, my little Phoenician? Nothing terrible has befallen you!' It was under Crates' tutelage that Zeno wrote his greatest work, the Republic. Eventually Zeno began to teach in his own right, wandering up and down the arcade of painted columns known as the 'Stoa'

Zeno certainly seems to have inherited the Cynics' preference for gruff speech and shocking behaviour. He was continually making fun of the fops of Athens, commenting on a youth who was taking pains to avoid stepping in some mud, that it was only because he couldn't see his reflection in it. Of another, who was given to displays of rhetoric, he said "Your ears have slid down and merged in your tongue.' He attempted to avoid attracting too many followers by associating with (according to Timon) 'a crowd of ignorant serfs, who surpassed all men in beggary", and was also in the habit of asking passers by for small change. Despite this, he was held in high esteem by the citizens of Athens, and was even given the keys to the city. He was also invited to act as an advisor to King Anigonus of Macedon, but he turned this down, sending his pupil Persaeus, instead.

Not much is known of Zeno's personal life. He appears to have continued his interest in trade, though by all accounts his life was fairly frugal, his main enjoyment being to sit in the sun eating figs and drinking wine. In fact, contrary to the popular image of Stoicism, Zeno seems to have liked his drink, commenting (presumably while staggering drunkenly) that it was better to slip with the feet than with the tongue. He was not fond of being waited upon (possibly due to the Cynics' and Stoics' opposition to slavery), though it was said that he occasionally had a maid-servant wait at his parties "in order not to appear a misogynist." He probably died in 261 B.C., striking the ground with his fist and quoting the line from Niobe, "I come, I come, why do you call me?"

He received notoriety for his advocacy of what is generally referred to as "community of women" or "community of wives", though a better term would probably be "free love".

http://phoenicia.org/zenocit.html


Epictetus was born a slave in Hieropolis in Phrygia (now Turkey), a Greek-speaking province of the Roman empire, around A.D. 55. He came to Rome and was the slave of Epaphroditus, an immensely powerful freedman (ex-slave) of the notorious Roman emperor Nero. Epaphroditus let Epictetus study with the Stoic teacher Musonius Rufus, before eventually freeing him. Like Socrates, Epictetus then began wandering the streets, buttonholing Romans with philosophical inquiries. That earned him a rap on the head from a wealthy ex-consul more accustomed to asking than answering questions. Undeterred, Epictetus taught Stoicism in Rome until the emperor Domitian banished all philosophers from Rome in A.D. 89.

Epictetus traveled to the city of Nicopolis on the Adriatic coast in northwest Greece where he set up his own philosophical school. (Nicopolis was on the main route between Rome and Athens.) Many distinguished Greeks and Romans visited Epictetus’ school, including Hadrian, the Roman emperor from A.D. 117-138. One such visitor was Lucius Flavianus Arrianus Xenophon, Arrian for short, a Roman citizen from the province of Bithynia, who studied with Epictetus from about A.D. 107 to 109 before becoming a leading Roman politician and historian. Epictetus, like his hero Socrates, evidently wrote nothing down. His teachings survive through Arrian’s written version of Epictetus’ school lectures and conversations, entitled the Discourses.

Epictetus became lame, either from rheumatism or because of the cruelty of his master Epaphroditus. He lived a life of great austerity and simplicity, and he chose to marry at a late age and adopt an orphan child who would otherwise have been left to die.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/stoicism/


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Plato

"Thus he then classified living creatures into genera and species,
and divided them in every way until he came to their elements,
which he called the five shapes and bodies -
aether, fire, water, earth and air."

- Xenocrates, On the life of Plato


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Stoic Philosophy is eclectic, it gathers truth wherever it can be found. I shall post many truths here, drawn from many corners of the world and from only a few great men.
Here is a few from The Gospel of Didymos Judas Thomas
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html

states that Jesus said

"A city being built on a high mountain and fortified cannot fall, nor can it be hidden."

"If a blind man leads a blind man, they will both fall into a pit."

"The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

"It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries that I tell my mysteries. Do not let your left (hand) know what your right (hand) is doing."

"Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone."

"He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in."

"I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."


I read Letters from a Stoic by Seneca.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 55-7866260

I'm not sure if you're mostly interested in their theories of the universe Zarkov, this book didn't really touch on that, more about the philosphical approcah to life. Detachment from material possessions and a realistic approach to life were his recommendations. There seemed to me some striking similarities between his philosophy and message that desire is the cause of suffering, as espoused by the Buddhists. Interesting...


Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Nero's tutor, forced to commit suicide.

A notable Stoic. Fantomas I am interested in a philosophy for LIFE, this super organism that feeds and grows on this hunk of rock, called Earth.

I am interested in it's place in Creation.

Senica, Marcus Aurelius, Zeno, Socrates, Plato, Epictetus and Diogenes all excite me with their innate insight.

This tradition has continued, the noble side of human nature, usually hidden and persecuted, but the truth is eternal.


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